MARVIN FLY

defining a dickheads cruel

The way you dress, I couldn’t give a shit about it as long as it’s not repulsive to see. I’m more interested in the metaphysical values and wonder you hold.

If you talk about material objects I’ll lose interest.
If you tell me a good story, or express a new way of thinking I’ll love it.

Lots of people I know loved that song about ‘dickheads’.

But really it just reinforced and created stereotypes. So that, for example, anyone associated with ‘smoking rolleys’ is instantly attributed to being a dickhead. It’s like the ‘Scumbag Steve’ meme. It doesn’t really mean anything once you know the real person behind it. A stereotype is a simulation you run in your head, upon meeting someone, through lack of better knowledge of their character. It is a metaphysical avatar you attach to things you don’t understand. It is important to over come this in case you never get past it and judge people by a false representation when it could be deemed mental burden to the progress of integrated society.
i.e
African people run faster, Asian people are good at maths, Jews are obsessed with money, White people don’t have rhythm, middle easterners hate westerners. People with fixed gear bikes are dickheads.

Therefore the biggest ‘dickhead’ of all was the person who made the video judging a stereotype for their collective trivial actions. In turn causing negative repercussions and bullying as a result of a needless hate campaign. Well done you.

This form of comedy uses the same rhetoric as racist hardcore music.

Well we’ve seen a lot of riots, we just sit and scoff 
We’ve seen a lot of muggings, and the judges let ‘em off

White Power! For England! 
White Power! Today 
White Power! For Britain 
Before it gets too late

 
- White power by Skrewdriver

This insinuates that non-white people are solely responsible for mugging and riots if ‘white power’ is to be the solution. It too forms stereotypes in order to create negative connotations, so in this respect, both are equally unjust.  

Amendment 
So taking the piss out of people for the choices they make is equivalent to screwdriver? Theirs nothing wrong with judging people for something trivial (as long as you don’t discriminate). That song was satirizing the influx of vapid uppermiddle class kids to the east end who wanted to create a pseudo-artistic culture just to validate their own egos (to put it very harshly). Sometimes seemingly trivial characteristics allude to a things that a more important and to condemn their reference is to condemn a lot of good comedy. That Top Gear routine Stewart Lee did was dependent on facial expression Richard Hammond made for a few seconds on an Australian talk show, but it revealed so much it was brilliant.

- Nich

Where to start,

So taking the piss out of people for the choices they make is equivalent to screwdriver?

This is not in debate. I am dealing with making fun of stereotypes, not with making fun of the choices of the individual. Taking the piss out of people on an individual basis (like stewart lee did) is different entirely to using stereotypes. Metaphorically, say a stereotype is a photo of a person, the interpretation of an individual viewing the photo becomes photorealistic - A painting of a photo. Why make fun of the photo when you can make fun of the object? Why make fun of a stereotype when you can make fun of an individual. The object is three dimensional, the joke will be more satisfying due to it’s room to use sharp intellect without the burden of generalisation. This still should only apply to the individual’s metaphysical merits and not to things like skin colour or disability if you wish to totally avoid being unjust.

When concerning intellect, it’s funnier to accurately mock the things someone has said than their general lack of intelligence. Generalisation is sloppy joke writing. Stewart lee’s Joe Pasquale joke is a prime example of just, intelligent humour in this respect.

In personal experience I, quite masochistically, love to be made fun of. But when the basis of the joke aimed at me places me inside a stereotype instead of being a personal attack on me, I feel bored because the comic is making fun of me without taking note of what I really am. So it’s not like I’m being made fun of at all.

Your statement about the

‘influx of vapid upper middle class kids to the east end who wanted to create a pseudo-artistic culture just to validate their own egos’

is also reinforcing a stereotype.
Who is to say there is not one in the crowd making poignant, important work for instance?
Should they be labelled for their trivial and stereotypical actions regardless of their outstanding merits?
To pick on a stereotype for the sake of comedy isn’t very good comedy. If you want to drive a point home, aim for an individual, not a class. It allows a much fairer evaluation.
I don’t understand what this means. -

‘Sometimes seemingly trivial characteristics allude to a things that a more important and to condemn their reference is to condemn a lot of good comedy.’

Because it defines the foundations of situation comedy and I can’t say I’ve sat through an episode of Father Ted, The IT crowd, The Royal Family etc without feeling a bit bored. Or if there is a character that resembles me or someone I know, a bit offended at the lack of depth.

Finally, You are defending Little Britain. Please stop. You don’t agree with yourself.

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